Show everyone where Glock was an active party to promoting and passing legislation adversely impacting the 2A in *any* state. Add to Cart Compare. After that election, the contribution can be used as leverage. 89.7k. Blatantly misleading. You can all be principled, incorruptible stalwarts and never buy from SA and RRA again and put them out of business, but what have you gained? Rock River Arms, Inc. offers a complete line of American made, custom built AR15 style rifles. Boy you will do anything to defend these guys huh? That will be enough for most people like their guns but don’t read the news. So SA & RRA gave money to the Illinois Firearms Manufacturing Association, who then gave it to anti-gun politicians. There are other sponsors out there but you can only sell your credibility once. I wonder how long HS Produkt (the manufactures of the SA XD line) will continue to let Springfield stamp their tainted name on the HS guns? Rock River Arms LAR-15 Tactical Operator 2 with RRA Dominator2 EOTech Mount $1,399.99 $979.99; Brand: Rock River Arms; Item Number: BB2512; Rock River Arms ATH ADVANCED TACT HUNTER CARBINE 5.56 $1,370.00 $1,369.99; Notify Me When Available; I so wanted for Springfield Armory to unequivocally retract their previous idiotic statements and actions and show me they are making the effort to fix what they’ve done so I could justify purchasing the M1A. Anti-gunners celebrate. (United States of America Second Amendment). 3. In any case, shame on SA and RR. Could this be the beginning of the end for Springfield and Rock Island ? Springfield Armory & Rock River Arms Made Campaign Contributions to Anti-Gun Rights Politicians. Remember the raids on Gibson Guitars? Believe me ownership is no brainiac. As always, you may also place your order online or via phone directly through Rock River Arms for at home delivery on other applicable items. IFMA also provided a $3550 in-kind sponsorship for a fundraising golf outing organized by NRA-PVF F-rated Illinois House Speaker Michael Madigan, another anti-gun pol. Watch for RRA and SA will gear up the PR and start handing checks to the 2A groups. Never had much interest in either company and I can understand the whole “this is how the sausage gets made” argument and not necessarily having all the facts or whatever. No excuse to these quislings! Neither company will get a nickel from me. They build overpriced out of date 1911’s and are scamming people with flashy advertising to sell XD’s at twice their price. Riding both sides of the fence to gain favor with Longshanks. Profits = Sales – Expenditures as always. Show everyone where Glock was an active party to promoting and passing legislation adversely impacting the 2A in *any* state. However, we are not open to the public for direct sales. Both are bereft of integrity. Rock Island Armory is a Filipino company, and the actual US government-owned thing in Illinois is called Rock Island Arsenal. The Rock series is Rock Island Armory’s most well-optioned line of 1911 pistols built in the traditional 70 series design with the addition of next level upgrades. Just no way that they were unaware. The above are just two years’ worth of campaign contributions to those opposed to firearm rights for you and me. Use this to your advantage. And Shame on Rock River Arms. And someone at SA and RRA signed off on it. The initial comment from Mr. Reese of SA also doesn’t sound like someone who was unaware of the contents of the bill…, “The legislative process is a fluid process. Just watch the results SA and RRA are going to get as a result of this “game” they played. © COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. ROCK RIVER ARMS R4 REPLICA CARBINE 5.56MM 14.5" BBL 6 POS A2 SIGHTS BLK $1,273.99. Related: rock river arms rra rock river arms rear sight magpul dpms armalite carry handle yhm rock river arms case spikes tactical rock river arms trigger daniel defense Refine more Format There aren’t that many firearms manufacturers in Illinois. Since cutting off these companies I have felt no loss in my firearms collections. It’s not a big leap, as I probably never was anyway. And you don’t know how PAC money works. SA and RRA founded the IFMA and are the ONLY members. It will take an army of priests to rid that demon attachment. Equal opportunity graft and corruption? How could they NOT know???? You’ve already admitted you have bought RRA, you’re just as guilty as those you would shame. Where is Parting ways with Les Baer in 1993, the Larsons … It is also worth noting that this was not the first attempt to pass a SB-1657 bill in IL, so they had the previous history to draw on for information about the contents as well. In which direction? Companies have to be responsible for their actions, and no matter how much SA and RRA try to distance themselves from SB-1657 they contributed to it. That I did not know, then correct. Sick of gun-grabbers and their “friends” in the industry. Now, I’m trying to figure out the best time to sell so I don’t loose to much money in order to replace those with other manufactures. It was a figure of speech, dude. There is only one Euro company that I trust and that’s Beretta. RRA always had shitty products, so the only thing of theirs I even have is an old A2 upper I bought almost a decade ago. Dig into any manufacturer’s political dealings and I bet stuff like this will be found. While I understand what you are trying to do by taking down the reviews… those reviews are actually a good place to leave comments about what SA and RRA have done. These guys could give 2 craps about gun rights. Owners of these companies plus their lobyist are IFMA directors. I didn’t know you could rent a Super Cobra. Pissing off and betraying a very stubborn and rigid gun community is a very big problem and could be a death blow. They have done nothing but try to shift blame. But I’ll damn well wait before I buy anymore SA until I see how this plays out. As for Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms: never bought anything from the latter, but I have owned two SA rifles. Ends justify the means adherents should not pass Go and head directly to the Hillary 2020 campaign. What were the contributions in 2014, 2015, 2016? The sausage making can surely be messy. All three made amends. The RRA upper is going into a gun buyback or the garbage. I do understand your anger, believe me. At first, both companies attacked me, The Truth About Guns and Guns Save Life. Would you buy another Glock after reading this book? This bill looks like a state run FFL system on top of the FFL system already in place where all the rules are arbitrarily made up by a few individuals out of Chicago. I would suggest they do the same with any legislation they support as well. Page / 2 Next Page. Rock River Arms air gauges a 20-inch, cryogenically treated, extra-heavy competition barrel with a 1:8 twist. I’d wager NONE of the current silencer suppliers were around in 1934 pimping the legislation. Every rule that can be broken, has been broken. The donations show up on the IFMA’s tax filings, but not in the State Board of Elections records. General Discussions (Page 1 of 2) Previous Page. There are no good guys in the SA / RRA / IFMA / Jay Keller / Politicians they donated to universe. Very underrated guns and despite them being made in China actually use forged parts and have none of the issues Springfield’s have. It is completely reasonable to believe that they wrote these checks because they mistakenly trusted their guy running the IFMA. They hired Lon Horiuchi’s partner, who stated he would have taken the same shot as Lon (the one that killed Vicki Weaver while she was holding a baby.). Stop digging. Update:  IFMA’s IRS Form 990 2014. They would rather have a Springfield made in Brazil by Taurus than anything with a passive firing pin safety. Here is what every PAC brags about: The percent of its contributions that went to election winners. No longer. The only reason the org exists is to represent their specific political interests. Rock River Arms Inc manufactures custom firearms and accessories. Both companies are pro-2A and have made great guns for many years. It’s a reason to make the office holder pay attention when you want his consideration. As I understand, it would still hurt their sales because it hurts their dealers. The Illinois Senate passed SB 1657, the Gun Dealer Licensing Act’s official name, by only one vote. Good features for the price. If not…. RRA is a very different entity from Rock Island. How the ant-gunners would love to see two gun manufacturers put out of business. Will the NRA drop the ads from both companies? It is unfortunate that we can create a list of Gun Manufactures who have stupidly supported legislation that gave them a short term gain while throwing the rest of the gun community under the bus… S&W, Ruger to name a few. The Rock River Arms Pro Series Government AR-15 is but one very good example. They reminded of a ‘lipstick on a pig’ gun anyway. I’m NOT surprised living nearly 65years in Illinois. Thats why us illinoisans are so pissed. Nothing. Well if it’s been going on this long the companies either pay no attention to how their money is spent or they knew about it and we’re OK with it for some reason. This brand new Rock River Arms LAR-15M (DS1850) RRAGE is a semi-automatic rifle which fires the 5.56mm round. I hope they’re the victims, because I think they’ve been on our sides up until now. The gun community needs to lighten up. Even if they had a rogue IFMA lobby going against their wishes (unlikely since they wrote the checks with RRA), how as gun owners in IL were they unaware of SB-1657? Despite the failure of the 2012 contributions to further Second Amendment rights in the Land of Lincoln, the company employed by Springfield and Rock River Arms, J Alexander Hunt, Inc., made a $5,000 gift to Friends of Kwame Raoul, an NRA-PVF D-minus-rated state senator. SA has tried to have it both ways. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. For me SA is in this probation phase. When will business’ and corporations come to understand that they are all in the “customer” business? From The Gun Writer. Especially since there was a new administration coming in (George W Bush). IFMA acted autonomously on our behalf.” The rifle has enough issues as it is without starting behind the ball due to cheap construction. Their newer models certainly solidify what RRA fans have known for a while: that this is a company … After the fact sales are an entirely different animal. Our price: $1,399.98. The Springfield Armory of today is already a knockoff of the original, and if the bill passes, irretrievably damaged. I want any manufacture or retailer to take it as fact that a deal with the anti-gun crowd will leave them fighting for the future of their company and their actions will live long in the memory of gun owners. Your thoughts? Not giving money to Madigan/Cullerton. Rock River Arms is considered by some to be “middle of the road” and nothing more, but they do have some models which are significantly more than that. He refuses to allow pro-gun rights bills to receive a committee hearing, much less an up-or-down vote on the Senate floor. Honey, where did you put my pitchfork and torch? The whole company is based on a phony claim of a 200 year history that isn’t theirs….”. And they would have to know that there would be no way this “deal” would not find its way into the public spotlight. Little over the top for me. They clearly donated to legislators who promoted a firearms related bill that gave them an advantage while punishing their competitors and IL gun owners. I lived in the most corrupt Republican county in Illinois-Kankakee. Maybe the Chicago Sun-Times (not the Tribune) could apply their experience with Illinois politics and see how far this rabbit hole goes. Social shaming for supporting two companies that need to not exist anymore? Thanks Bill. They have some ok stuff but beware they use commercial buffer tubes and the 2 stage triggers are known to lose the 1st stage. George Carlin- “Puck me? Founded in 1996. The IFMA is founded and funded 50:50 by SA and RRA. The Illinois State Board of Elections website is here.]. Still doesn’t explain the carve-out bill that passed the Senate. Sorry, that’s a weak excuse for betrayal. PUUUCK YOU.”. I mean, I already do that shit. We can now reveal that Springfield and Rock River have, through IFMA, donated tens of thousands of dollars to Illinois anti-gun politicians over the last several years. So, yeah, IFMA exclusively consists of SA and RRA…100% run by them. Quantity: Buy now. Searching for J Alexander Hunt’s political donations at IllinoisSunshine.org reveals that J Alexander Hunt also donated $10,000 to Citizens for John Cullerton. Right now if I were SA I wouldn’t write a donation check to any candidate that the NRA and/or the ISRA had not given a good rating to. The ISRA is also sending out emails requesting slips. New management is on the horizon. The boycott destroyed them and the Brits sold S&W at a loss to Saf-T-Hammer (an American company). Proves two things. I suggest another idea. The NRA-PVF F-rated Cullerton has stood in the way of pro-gun rights legislation in Illinois for years. Perhaps this is how business is done in Illinois, but it wouldn’t seem they’re getting anything for their money which means they’re just aiding the people they claim to be fighting. See ya’ll in bankruptcy. Rock River Arms, Inc. offers a complete line of American made, custom built AR15 style rifles. IFMA’s $50,000 payment to J Alexander Hunt, Inc. — listed in the 2012 Form 990 — also caught our eye. Obviously the managment at Springfield Armory and RRA are being possessed by the ghostly spirit of Bill Ruger. UPDATE:  And then there’s another $10,000 donated in 2014 to the Senate Democratic Victory Fund from the 2014 IFMA Form 990. (l.) Shorter rounds require shorter ejection ports, so … Founded in 1996. The gun community continues to react to news of a deal made by Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms to carve out an exemption from a state licensing scheme ( SB-1657 ). However, we are not open to the public for direct sales. The opposite would have a greater effect tho. JoeBob dun saved you $2.00! The pragmatic realists among us understand that’s how the game is played and how results are achieved. Neither is the $5,000 donation to Friends of Kwame Raoul. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. But as for Springfield? I don’t care what you make or sell…your job is to please a customer. An organization funded by Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms. If they donate$10,000 to anti gun organizations. https://www.opensecrets.org/527s/527cmtedetail_contribs.php?ein=464628447&cycle=2016. Whether or not Springfield and Rock River arms should have even made the attempt is a question both companies will soon face from both the industry and consumers. Sorry. Rock River Arms AR-15 5.56/223 Bolt Assembly (No Carrier Included) This item is currently on order MSRP: $59.95 . That money won’t buy you anything you can’t get for free. But I wouldn’t take everything for face value, been my experience that face value politics, rarely are. (RRA deserves seperate scorn for sales to NY and certain other states). Bow down to crooked illinois gun hating liberals?! Market Price: $1,450.00. I might be inclined to add a paragraph addressing SA & RRA’s subsequent actions, and leave it to the reader to weigh that impact on both potential purchases and resale value. Happens all the time. There can be no miscommunication or misunderstanding. “…. If they really didn’t know about the sellout, they need to withdraw from the association and work to defeat it. There’s no way that the IFMA “went rogue” on any of this. Rock River Arms and their neighbor Springfield Armory have been embroiled in an ongoing controversy of their own making ever since it was learned they donated tens of thousands of dollars — either knowingly or unknowingly — to anti-gun Illinois politicians. At every point up to the simultaneously released statements, it was recoverable. Find out what works well at ROCK RIVER ARMS from the people who know best. They may not have even known. It’s Dennis Reese, his dad, two RRA execs, and their hired lobbyist. i have another upper on the way from them that will finish out an all rock river build and i'll try to remember to post a review when i get it but it could be a while. People Voted them into Office so blame them, You are a rube without a clue. Mixed emotions, but yeah, they’re going to have to continue if not increase advertising as damage control and efforts to move product. The Illinois Manufacturers Association will continue to fight and protect not only manufacturers, but dealers and the gun owner as well.”. I also understand that paying for someone who does support you nets nothing, while paying for potential on the fence opposition to reconsider would be growth. I don’t know much about this Dennis Reese guy and was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I just don’t see SA turning around their political activities without getting rid of him and any other management that was behind this IFMA outfit. Although I basically called them Fredo when this story broke, upon reflection, I think that the lobbyist for the manufacturer probably exceeded their authority, since this was out of character for SA, based upon past behavior. That expenditure failed to appear on IFMA’s Federal Form 990 for the year. #BoycottSpringfield #BoycottRRA. You guys sound like scorned lovers. Both sides of the political aisle must be fed. First I could have buried SA years ago and still can. Sounds to me like the real problem is with IFMA, not with Rock River Arms and Springfield Armory. Bad idea. This is why I don’t get emotionally attached to who I buy stuff from. I didn’t see any SA opposition material (gun counter mats and flyers) to SB-1657 until the public out cry over their support of it through the IFMA. And it will be NRA’s and their profit minded management’s fault. From what I can see avoiding the products sends a message to the company. Yes, Springfield and Rock River Arms, through their now-former lobbying outfit, the Illinois Firearms Manufacturer’s Association, traded their opposition to a Prairie State retailer licensing bill for an exemption to that law. It is not unfair to consider abandoning anyone who abandons you, and that is what SA and RRA did with SB-1657. This brouhaha poisons the market for RR/SA, two otherwise pretty well respected names in the industry, and they wither and die. I bought my three Springfield pistols well before this. He was whinning like a shareholder earlier about these two? Ask the Brit former owners of S&W. If SA an RRA we’re to bring to the publics attention that they were victims of a shakedown by the corrupt pols of IL, I guarantee that would be a boon to sales, and boost their street cred in the 2A community. We also don’t know the reasons why SA and RRA supported the politicians they did. “Defend Your Legacy”. It is hard to imagine legislation that impacted the two companies was unknown to management. Companies like that disappear forever all the time. Still early in the story. To quote John Ringo, “The Stupid, It Burns.”, https://www.rockriverarms.com/images/pdfs/RRA_Stmt217.pdf, “I sincerely apologize for my lack of direct engagement in IFMA’s governance and subsequent actions”. But they just keep stepping in it. Publications should keep taking their money. My first rifle was a RRA complete rifle it has an untold amount of rounds through it and the trigger is no longer a 2 stage trigger. I agree Ryan. John has discovered a lot in a few days, but there might be more to come. Maybe CTD can buy the Springfield Armory name at auction and apply it to custom Highpoints. I like them too much. If SA or RRA were to go under over SB-1657 what we have all gained is a strong lesson to any other gun manufacture/distributor who might be considering a similar deal with the devil. Anti-FFL bill passes out of Illinois Senate with Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms' withdrawing opposition in exchange for exemption. For anyone else who may be reading this: SB-1657 is not yet dead. Did Glock sign-off in support of this anti-gun legislation? IFMA dropped $2500 into NRA-PVF F-rated Illinois Senator Antonio Munoz “Citizens for Antonio Munoz” mailbox. You burn out the undergrowth to prevent a full blown forest fire. More lobbying money against the grabbers and their pet politicians, fund the NRA, whatever. It has a 16" barrel and matte black finish. “Stakes”? Choose your category and start building your collection. I would say the sausage factory nailed it on the head. I’ll keep it and trash the grip panels, but it’ll be the only SA gun I ever own. No compromise, no surrender! While their actions may be standard practices at the capitol, backdoor politics and convoluted deal-making are counter to the way we do business and lead our lives. That’s a fair chunk of time that SA and or RRA, could have made changes. Forum also contains a FREE Buy Sell Swap area. RRAMODERATOR. If not,then SA and RRA, please move your operations to Texas. That was a major reason for setting up the IFMA. That’s not listed on our search of the Illinois State Board of Elections, either. Under an honest government people lobby government. Strych9 at for this? James River is in the same ~2k price range as the good SAs. When you sell to California law enforcement you sign on to the laws they enforce and therefore you have endorsed California gun control laws. If a politician is not pro-gun to the hilt, I have to vote for someone else even if that not so pro gun politician supports other really great policies while the pro gun politician is a buffoon except for his support for pro gun policies? Nobody is shocked that gun companies give to the enemy at this point. Maybe I’ll forgive Reese and Larson when they join him. Then I don’t feel like my girlfriend dumped me when stuff like this Springfield/RRA nonsense meets the light of day. traditional 1911 thinkers are why Sig 1911’s don’t look like a traditional 1911. So it’s ok for Glock to smooze anti-gun politicians to make a sale. ... And then simply as a matter of politics… Sale Price: $57.95 . Let me also give one word of political advice to you and anyone else who may read this. In fairness, lots of things over there reference the Rock River. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - why are Rock River Arms rifles so heavy. Will it make me a bad person if I hammer the going out of business sale? I suggest TTAG pull reviews of SA and RRA guns down from the site. Rock River AR-15 Lower Parts Kit Single Stage Trigger AR0120 (LPK) Usually Ships in 24 Hours MSRP: $70.00 . “Get a Springfield Armory M1A — the perfect weapon for circular firing squads and shooting your friends in the back!”. They founded it, they’re the only ones who are a part of it, their execs are the execs of the IFMA too. This purchase was to fulfill a want, not a need, and I don’t have the $4k to spend. Clearly, they had no protectors. Discuss everything from firearms, reloading, hunting, through to dogs, fishing and gamebird shooting. Yeah, right. Ok, that makes sense now. [email protected]. Sometimes helping your enemy at just the right moment does more good than harm, could it be that’s what happened here? The way those lessons have been learned by other gun companies, who have violated their customers trust, is to not buy their products until enough time has passed that it is clear there will not be a repeat. Which is the alpha-primary for why I’ve never bought an SA product, and only considered their M1As (during a moment of tax-return-induced weakness) before I was aware of Fulton Armory. However, a good firestorm like this is needed every now and then to keep them in line. Well, it’s all over the internet now, but here is the answer to your question: https://www.campaignmoney.com/political/527/illinois-firearms-manufacturers-association.asp. The result: RBG-1S, an incredibly accurate rifle that’s customizable and designed for durability and ease-of-use, and it … SA is privately owned so any change in valuation will likely not be made public. We fully support the Second Amendment and stand by it. They have atoned for Bill Ruger’s sins in my eyes. Just look at the last page of their tax filing: https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/IFMA-Form-990-2012.pdf. The Reese family is finally going to pay for there lies with customers abandoning them. “We did not have control over all actions. IFMA sent another $10,000 check to Citizens for John Cullerton, matching their 2012 contribution. I’d bet the vast majority of their personal and corporate donations were in our favor. Lose your business. Topics Author Stats Last Post RRA Moderator IMs. Cheaper Than Dirt is still around. All you will have done is forwarded the anti-gun movements agenda. The above is from page 8 of the IFMA 2012 IRS Form 990. 2- Maybe we ought to let some more facts come out before we declare Jihad on fellow gun owners. It’s a pay-to-play state. Yes they did. 1. But now I hope they bite the dust. PUCK ME..?? Thanks for filling me in. The legislative alerts could have been sent to their junk e-mail folder. Ill keep my Ruger SR556. We can now reveal that Springfield and Rock River have, through IFMA, donated tens of thousands of dollars to Illinois anti-gun politicians over the last several years. to cause cancer, birth defects or other reproductive harm. I do not share your reluctance to abandon SA. Much like a controlled burn. Plus United bounced back to within a few percent of its pre-faux pa stock price so the whole metaphore unravels anyway. I agree. Am I missing something? Reese put his daughter in charge of PR (she wrote their statement) instead if hiring a professional crisis management PR team. Did Glock support legislation undermining the 2A? I was seriously considering buying a Saint. Being the self-assessed “Lazy Ass” that I am, I had not looked into which “Rock Island” whatever we were discussing. no excuses. <– MY MISTAKE, DIFFERENT CULLERTON (THOMAS). Probably the way sausage is made; but it isn’t in our gravy as people of the gun. History. WARNING: The products offered for sale on this website can expose you to chemicals which are known to the State of California We don’t need your guns that bad. Hard to survive. Not long after receiving the cash, Cullerton appeared at a gun control event. To Wit: If there is any background checks, paperwork, or other ‘regulations’ with the Hearing Protection Act’ when it comes up for vote, which amount to nothing less than illegal registration, of a simple piece of metal tubing that isn’t even a firearm, then WE THE PEOPLE LOSE, and gained NOTHING! Wow, this is a PR nightmare. Eleven thousand dollars isn’t that much money. Anyone who is a member of the ISRA (IL State Rifle Assoc – since you are not a IL resident) knew about SB-1657 from the legislation alerts. New Zealands Best Hunting Fishing and Shooting Forum. Maybe living in Illinois has warped your perspective to the point where having a criminal history is not only normal, but mandatory. I will never shoot it again. Good to know that someone else knows about Troy. I find their attempts to deny they knew what actions IFMA was up to unbelievable. SA and RRA sold out the little guy for protection from the enemy instead of sticking it to the legislature by moving jobs and tax revenue out of their state to a 2nd amend friendly state. RR/SA are certainly not blameless, but neither are they necessarily crafty politicians or devilishly devious billionaires. The trigger is right at 3 lbs. As a ” staunch second amendment supporter” who is not a one issue voter please point to some things Cullerton has supported that you would limit yourself to 9 transfers and increased costs for? Basically, they’ve been hiding behind this shadow, sham ‘trade association’ to support Democrat politicians. This won’t sink either company, but it will be a sharp reminder to them, and every gun company, where their ultimate loyalties lie. In the end, the NRA better jump on this. RRA is in denial, other than sign a token letter in opposition to SB-1657 after it passed. Got it. I am not prepared to abandon a great company like SA based on the information currently available. Let this be a lesson. Let’s not be like the Lib’s and blow something way out of proportion before we have all the facts. 1- You can’t buy integrity, even for $400. Rock River Arms is owned and operated by brothers Mark and Chuck Larson. At least two dealers have announced Springfield Armory / Rock River liquidation sales, one with proceeds going to NRA-ILA (Absolutely brilliant marketing, btw). Sometimes it seems worse than it actually is, other times its worse than it seems.
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